Novels About Queer People

Novels About Queer People

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Hmm?

*googles*

Ah. That could be interesting… *trots off to list of book requests*


argyle-s:

Fuck Yeah Lesbian Literature (and more)!: novelsaboutqueerpeople: Fuck Yeah Lesbian Literature (and more)!: Why…

fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

I think part of the problem is that queer isn’t a genre. I wouldn’t want all queer books shelved separately, because it’s a little insulting. I still want Sarah Waters to be in general fiction, because it shouldn’t just be lesbians reading about lesbians. It doesn’t make sense to keep all queer books together, because they do belong to actual genres: fiction, romance, sci-fi, etc. 

Also, as much as I’d like to find queer books more easily, there is always the considerations that

a) queer people may not be comfortable buying or checking out a visibly queer book in a public place 

and b) it may turn away straight readers, whether or not that’s justified, and that could really hurt sales

I mean, I would be happy with just a blurb that mentions the words “queer” or “lesbian” or whatever is appropriate. After all, it’s not easy to scan the shelves and know whether any book is going to appeal to you; you have to actually pick it up and take a look at the back or a page to get an idea. It’s just when the back won’t tell you what it’s about that it becomes a problem, in my opinion.

I think you make a couple of really good points, both about the comfort level of queer readers, and about turning away a straight audience.  In the former case, it could actually endanger the queer reader if the book is easily identified as having queer content.  In the later case, it could drive the author’s sales down so low they can’t get published anymore.

Neither outcome is desirable.

Sometimes, I forget what the world is really like.  I shouldn’t.  Just this past Christmas, I got to listen to a family member go on at length about how they had a funeral for all of his son’s green lantern toys and comics, because DC decided to make Alan Scott gay.  (The implication being, better dead than queer.  Gotta love family, don’t ya?)

I get into my safe spaces, tumbler, fan fiction, my online friends, and it’s easy to get wrapped up.  Easy to forget that there’s a big nasty world out there, where your parents finding a book in your room with a pink triangle or a rainbow flag on the spine could get you beaten, kicked out, or worse.

But at the same time, it’s tough, because those books are part of my safe spaces.  There a place I can go, where I don’t have to deal with the ugly realities like a pile of my cousin’s green lantern figures buried in the back yard, or the fact that I’ll probably never be out to most of my family, or that I live in a state where there’s a Constitutional ban on marriage rights for same sex couples.

I want to be able to find those safe spaces.

I Google Lesbian Science Fiction an average of 3 times a week, and I rarely find anything new that I’m interested in.  It would be amazing, maybe even life changing, to be able to walk into a book store, walk down the isle, and be able to tell at a glance which books contained queer content.

I don’t want to do anything to take those safe spaces away from anyone else, but as important as it is for authors to create stories I want to read, it’s just as important for me to have some way to find those stories once they hit the shelves.

^ I was trying to get at this myself, but you’ve pulled it off eloquently.


fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

novelsaboutqueerpeople:

Fuck Yeah Lesbian Literature (and more)!: Why do lesbians hate lesbian books?

argyle-s:

fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

[snip]

(my post)

I think part of the problem is that queer isn’t a genre. I wouldn’t want all queer books shelved separately, because it’s a little insulting. I still want Sarah Waters to be in general fiction, because it shouldn’t just be lesbians reading about lesbians. It doesn’t make sense to keep all queer books together, because they do belong to actual genres: fiction, romance, sci-fi, etc. 

Also, as much as I’d like to find queer books more easily, there is always the considerations that

a) queer people may not be comfortable buying or checking out a visibly queer book in a public place 

and b) it may turn away straight readers, whether or not that’s justified, and that could really hurt sales

I mean, I would be happy with just a blurb that mentions the words “queer” or “lesbian” or whatever is appropriate. After all, it’s not easy to scan the shelves and know whether any book is going to appeal to you; you have to actually pick it up and take a look at the back or a page to get an idea. It’s just when the back won’t tell you what it’s about that it becomes a problem, in my opinion.

Point A definitely crossed my mind, especially since I’ve BEEN in that group of people who would be nervous about buying an obviously queer book in public. And I wouldn’t want queer books to only be in the queer section, for sure.

Point B is maybe a bit frustrating, but it’s backed up by math. I mean… we WERE kind of outnumbered by the straight folks, last I checked. :)

I’d really, really like to have an easier time finding queer books by just browsing for them, and I wouldn’t mind having some subtle marker on the spine of the book so I’d know which ones to pull down and examine. (I wasn’t quite serious about the color-coded system, though. That could get complicated very quickly.) Blurbs are good too, though I wonder if anyone else has ever had the “what if someone peeks at the back of my book while I’m reading in public” thing?

On the other hand, I valued the very first queer novels I read in part because the spines and covers DIDN’T give away their queerness (though the jacket blurbs did, in that case), so I was less worried about someone seeing I had them.

I think more visibility would be a good thing, but I’m not sure how to solve these associated snags.


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argyle-s:

fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

So Sarah Diemer’s response to Casey the Canadian Lesbrarian’s post about wanting queer people to be the audience for queer books is really making me think. Sarah makes a good point that without a straight/cis audience, most queer authors wouldn’t be able to support themselves in their writing. But she also mentions this:

A lot of lesbians are tired of lesbian literature, which is very, very frustrating for me.  They tried to read some books, didn’t like the writing or thought they were poorly written, and now have a stigma against all lesbian books.

I want, desperately and passionately, for lesbians to find my stories, give them a chance and read them.  That’s why I post SO MUCH for free.  But in all of my experience, I keep knocking on closed doors that won’t open for me:  lesbians don’t want to give my stories a try, but straight people are desperate for them.

I have found this myself in trying to publicize lesbian books. Many lesbians are convinced that all lesbian books are bad, and aren’t willing to try any anymore. This really connects to Piercing Fiction’s post: It’s time to be more discriminating in [lesbian] books. Basically it seems to be that we have this camp of lesfic readers who are cheerleaders for all lesbian books, even the most poorly written, terribly edited ones, and this results in a larger camp of readers thinking that all we have to offer are poor-quality books, and they then refuse to read any lesbian books.

The way I see it, we have to support the lesbian authors and publishers that are putting out quality work, and we have to be honest about the ones that aren’t. Part of this, I think, comes from the label “Lesbian Fiction” or “lesfic”, which is more commonly referring to lesbian romance. We expect romance novels to not be the most literary books written, and it’s perfectly fine to have some trashy romance in the genre, but we shouldn’t be representing it as lesbian fiction, as lesbian literature.

If you’re a reader that’s given up on lesbian books (you probably aren’t reading my blog, but still), let me know what you’re looking for, and I’ll try to find you a book you’ll like. If you aren’t looking for lesbian romance novels, than Bella Books and Bold Strokes Books are probably not the places to go. The Lesbrary covers a range of genres, but personally, I prefer more literary fiction, so I tend to focus on that. Casey the Canadian Lesbrarian also has a focus on literary fiction.

But also, if you’re a lesbian who’s written off lesbian books, that’s your choice, but you are missing out on a lot. And it’s not fair to judge the entire genre based on the handful of books you randomly picked up. If you read Fifty Shades of Grey, you probably don’t throw it across the room shouting “Straight books suuuuck!” If an author disappoints you, you likely don’t write off the entire genre. So why do it for lesbian books?

I think a lot of lesbians pick up any lesbian books they can get their hands on and then judge the whole genre(s) based on those, which is unfair. Just like any other genre, you have to explore which books will interest you, personally.

That was a long rant, but I would love to see more discussion about this, because it is a problem if lesbians are the hardest audience to reach for lesbian authors.

You know, I would dearly, dearly love to read more books with a queer protagonist (lesbian, bisexual, transgendered; I prefer female protagonists, so I don’t read a lot of stories with gay heroes, but I’ll take anything, really).  I spend a lot of time looking for books with a queer protagonist.  The problem is, when it comes to the genres I prefer to read, space opera and urban fantasy, with the occasional superhero book thrown in, there’s not a lot out there.

Right now, I’m reading the Sarah Beauhall series by J. A, Pitts (Black Blade Blues, Honeyed Words, Forged in Fire).  It’s about a blacksmith in modern day Settle who unknowingly reforges a sort created by Odin to slay dragons, and ends up in the middle of all kinds of supernatural shenanigans as a result.  Great series, with several queer themes.  Sarah’s a lesbian, with a super religious family, who’s still in the processes of coming out (which causes a lot of tension with her girlfriend Katie).  She’s also dealing with a lot if internalized homophobia, because of her upbringing, and even has trouble with her identity as a butch (seriously, she’s a blacksmith, did you really expect her to be a femme?).

The thing is, this is the first title I’ve found in months that satisfies that itch I have for queer genre content.  It is, also, oddly enough, written by a guy who’s married to a woman (so, I’m assuming, straight, though I do recognize the possibility that he’s bisexual).

Well, the first commercially available title.  I suck down fanfiction like it’s milk from Hera’s own breasts, because there, I can get a hell of a lot of queer genre content.

Before the Sarah Beauhall books, I think the last book a read with a queer protagonist (a woman who, for various reasons was in a male body) was the Safehold series, by David Weber.  (David for being slightly to the right of Darth Vader politically, includes an awful lot of non-traditional family structures and such in his books).

I experience more frustration on this point than you can imagine, and my basic response to Sarah Diemer, I haven’t given up on queer literature because I read one book and thought it was terrible.  I’m desperate for it.  But if you want me to read your books, please, write the kinds of books I want to read.

Casey, the Canadian Lesbrarian on the other had has a far, far more valid point.  Trying to figure queer content, even when it exists, is endlessly frustrating, and sometimes extremely disappointing.  I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve guessed wrong.  Seriously, if publishers don’t want to say ‘here there be gay’ in the back cover text, can they just put a little rainbow or a pink triangle on the book’s spine, so we know?

Reblogging because I’ve been wanting to add something to this discussion, and I think both Casey and argyle-s have really good points. I’ll try not to ramble.

I didn’t really go searching for queer fiction until last year, not long before I started this blog. I’d read about six YA novels, two short story collections, and a bunch of nonfiction. I think I may have gotten the idea that all (or almost all) queer novels were coming-out stories in realistic contemporary settings. The thing is, my favorite genre is fantasy. I don’t read a whole lot of books in realistic contemporary settings, and as for coming-out stories… well, that might be best suited for another post. Suffice it to say that I eventually lost interest, except for a couple of favorite books. I’m now learning that queer characters can show up in all sorts of genres, but I’m still brand new at exploring it all and at doing the kind of detective work Casey talks about.

I’ve seen plenty of queer books recommended online and rightly so. But that’s not where I’m most at home finding my books. I usually find my reading material at the library or the bookstore or by reading a description that sticks in my head long enough that I actually go hunting for the book. Unless I’m already looking for a specific book or author, or I get extraordinarily lucky, I can’t just go to the library and grab a novel that has a queer character. There are just too many books. And I haven’t been in a bookstore with an LGBT section that put novels there. Nonfiction, yes. Erotica and a few romance novels, maybe. But the other novels are mixed in with literally thousands of books.

Heck, I want more than a pink triangle on the spine, I want a whole color-coding system. Main character? Secondary character? Book acknowledges that queer people exist?

I’m all for supporting queer fiction, but having a better way to FIND it would be a godsend.

And one final point: “queer” is not a genre. It’s a necessary identifier, but the genres are (or should be!!) as varied as they are for straight books.


It’s time to be more discriminating in [lesbian] books

fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

 I suspect many of us have talked to lesbian friends about reading the books only to hear, “I tried a couple.  They weren’t (very good/had too many mistakes/were poorly produced/nothing but an excuse to write about sex - you pick) so I won’t read them anymore.”

I know there was a time when there weren’t many lesbian novels out there and we lapped them all up like they were honey.  We cherished every one of them and applauded the authors in every way we could so that we could get more.  Those were the days when I could read every lesbian novel that was published in a year in that year and did.

Those days are over.  The books are flooding out now, whether from companies or indies.  Some of them are truly outstanding, some are very good, some are fine for light entertainment and then some of them are just not good.  I don’t mean the topic doesn’t appeal to you.  You’re not into romance or mystery or science fiction.  I mean they’re not good.  They’re full of mistakes - words missing, misspelled words, incomplete sentences, sentences that don’t make sense - and the plots are either mundane or full of holes.

Don’t we owe it to the authors?  Don’t we owe it to the readers?  Don’t we owe it to the literature to stop treating EVERY book like it’s a masterpiece?  They aren’t all good stories.  They aren’t all well produced.  They aren’t all worth reading and sure not worth spending money on, I don’t care how cheap they are.  Or, at least be honest about the kind of book it is.  If it’s the lesbian equivalent of a Harlequin romance, just say so. 

Posted at Piercing Fiction.

Even the queer books I’ve read and LOATHED have met a certain base level of readability and logic. (So far.) But I like this.


library book sales

I went to the spring book sale at the local library today. At the spring sale there’s always a deal where you pay a flat price for an entire bag of books. The logical consequence of this is that I got a lot of books.

There was a copy of Ammonite on the sci-fi/fantasy shelves. I’m not sure if it was the same copy I checked out and devoured last fall, but it could have been. It was more beat up than I remembered.

I’d have snapped it up in a second, had I not already purchased the book new. :) I very nearly bought it anyway. But instead I pulled it out a little in hopes that someone else would spot it.

I don’t think I made any other finds, at least not of the sort I’ve been writing about on this blog. (I DID happen across three books from a quartet I’ve checked out to reread three times in the last six months…)

It was fun, though.


Hey! Check out the Havemercy novels by Jaida Jones and Danielle Bennett? It's a fresh, light fantasy series with an abundance of queer characters (including a transwoman), penned by two ladies who met online and chose to augment the unfortunately limited selection of published queer novels with their own work. There are four books, with four narrators per book, which allows for a broad spectrum of characters and plot development. They're definitely worth a look. from feelslikeweoughttohaveknown

Whoa! That sounds fantastic! And I found (what appears to be) the first one in my library system! And it has dragons!

I’ve got it on hold! Thanks!


fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

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knowhomo:

KNOWhomo Moderator(s) Question of the Week:
We’d love to hear/read your opinion on one, two, three, or all four of these questions.
(Question on behalf of moderator, Cael)
What do you NEVER want to see in a LGBTQ* novel again?
What would you LIKE TO FINALLY see in a LGBTQ* novel?
What story have you never read in a LGBTQ* novel?
What story has been written too many times in LGBTQ* novels?

fuckyeahlesbianliterature:

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knowhomo:

KNOWhomo Moderator(s) Question of the Week:

We’d love to hear/read your opinion on one, two, three, or all four of these questions.


(Question on behalf of moderator, Cael)

What do you NEVER want to see in a LGBTQ* novel again?

What would you LIKE TO FINALLY see in a LGBTQ* novel?

What story have you never read in a LGBTQ* novel?

What story has been written too many times in LGBTQ* novels?


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